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Most local residents who visited the site two weeks ago seemed supportive of the Base composting.
(6/9/2009, Los Alamitos) After the Seal Beach City Council voted 5 – 0 last night to post signs enforcing a ban on large trucks on Lampson, outgoing Joint Forces Base Commander Gen. Combs indicated he will find another route for the 12 trucks a day delivering green waste to the Base.
“We are going to continue to work with the public to find the best way to resource our composting efforts,” General Combs said after learning for the first time that trucks with a total weight over three tons have been banned on Lampson for years.
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Here’s the report I received from one Los Alamitos resident who was present for the discussion last night at Seal Beach’s City Council Meeting:
Seal Beach already has an ordinance on the books that says any truck over 3 tons can not use Lampson. The code has exceptions for gasoline trucks, moving vans, some delivery trucks.
The city attorney was quite clear that there are exceptions to the law so residents can go about their lives, For instance trash trucks will be permitted. They have pretty much set it up to do whatever they think is best.
The only thing they were voting on was to put signs on Lampson saying no trucks over 3 tons so the compost trucks can be ticketed. Now the ball is in the General’s court.
I think Los Al is screwed once again by a neighbor. The only thing we can do is ask him to abandon the project.
CC member Gary Miller said he has spoken to Mayors Edgar and Bailey and Sharks about having a meeting with legislators regarding the mission of the base. He feels if the base is important the feds should pony up so they don’t have to keep coming up with projects that are not friendly to the residents.
I will be interested to see if the General pulls the lease on Arbor Park, because I believe he can.
Sounds to me like we’re going to continue to have 12 recycling trucks a day going in and out of the Base on Lexington. Can someone explain to me how two lane Lexington and totally congested Katella are better options than 4 lane, relatively uncongested Lampson.
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Sure Dave, I’ll explain. It’s not in their neighborhood, so it’s all great for them.
Now do you get it?
I say we fight to get the base BRAC’d and then fight to have a correctional facilty put in by the State on the Lampson side of the property while Los Al develops the rest of it for retail and residential development. So how would CPE like them apples?
It sure feels like another neighboring city is putting the screws to Los Alamitos.
The General should just go ahead and limit the use of Arbor Park to Los Alamitos residents only. How about charging an entrance fee for Seal Beach residents. That sounds like a logical thing to do at this point.
You go girl. Not in your back yard either. If it affects the highlands, you complain, so why shouldnt CPE folks? Wasn’t the base and airfield there before your home was built? And memory says Jody you have done your share of compaining about JFTB impacts as well.
The answer, my fellow friendly neighbors to the north, is to not squabble on what you really haven’t researched. This is what got the general in trouble in the first place. All of us here on this blog don’t like what he has done–that is a fact.
Do you really think it would be great for your neighborhood if the base was BRAC’d? Give me a break. That would mean more housing, businesses, etc in the area. More traffic than you could ever imagine. It would do no one good at all.
What the cities here have to do is plan, and plan together, like they are currently doing. It’s not about war between two cities–it never was. They have been working together on this and it will get done–without your pesky griping, mind you.
One more important point: if the general had found a way to go green without truck traffic, we wouldn’t have this problem now, would we? Rather than write stuff that is hurtful, why not come up with some solutions? Isn’t anyone a true green here? Have you not used the compost the general gave out? Did you not research the info given on May 26th? These questions should be answered, and if you don’t know the answers, perhaps write and find out from the sources that could help you grasp this whole picture a bit better. I’m doing that very thing, day by day.
A little clarification “To Joker”. The Base was here before me, I will NEVER let that keep me for speaking out for what is RIGHT. What used to be done on the Base “back in the day” can no long be done. A couple of examples are burying garbage in the ground water, digging a pit to burn an airplane, or dumping jet fuel into the water table. We have evolved, thank God.
I have in the past and will in the future be opposed to any helicopter flying out of the established flight pattern. My house is NOT in that pattern and I have fought for myself and residents who can’t fight for themselves.
I am on the RAB committee and observed the successful cleanup of the jet fuel/landfill projects. I attend the RMAC meetings. Both of these were and are open to the public. I attend meetings and I pay attention to what is going on.
I support the true mission of the JFTB; we all know what that is.
I know that the DOD is one of the largest environmental polluters in the United States. They have been ordered to clean up and reduce the carbon “boot print”. I understand this and think that the compost project is a clean mission for the JFTB. I don’t understand why the residents of CPE could not cooperate and share the trucks with Los Alamitos. I think Valley View to Orangewood could also share.
A possibility could be five trucks on Katella/Lexington, five on SB Blvd. /Lampson and five on Valley View/Orangewood.
If the project stays this small it should be OK, if not then the surrounding communities and their city councils would have to find options. If the project as it stands now becomes a problem then it should also be discussed for options.
The one lane barely paved west perimeter road directly behind my house is not safe for 18 wheel semi trucks.
Katella, Valley View, Lampson, Seal Beach Blvd are safer for these types of trucks. I did not buy a house behind a four lane road as did the residents in CPE. The perimeter road inside the base was not meant for heavy truck use. It is used for patrol jeeps/small trucks. City streets would be the SAFER routes for these large trucks.
Sharing the 15 trucks per day would be the fairest thing for all the surrounding cities.
sarcasm lost on those that don’t see the humor in making the trucks travel FURTHER and across roads not designed for them directly behind other people homes as they NIMBY…
I agree that the General should just “close the park”. It’s his park. Let the CPE residents use the parks in Rossmoor.
Oh, but it was well researched. Do you need to be reminded of the map that showed the volume of traffic on the streets and the capacity of the streets? You remember the nice blue under utilized and under capacity streets name? Let me remind you. Lampson.
I love what he has done. I think it is wonderful. I hope they use all the room at the north end of the runway for solar. I would also like to see wind turbines go up along the south side by the golf courses where the wind blows almost all the time.
I would also love to see a south gate at the base opened so that we could reduce north gate traffic.
I thought looking at the traffic conditions and then basing where you would send the trucks so as to impact traffic the least was a fantastic idea. It showed that the base was sensitive to the current communities traffic loads.
If you are looking for me to say that the General made an error, you’re barking up the wrong tree. I think it was well thought out and well planned.
Sarcasm aside from my comment. Yes, I have moved to the belief that BRAC would do more good than harm
1) It would remove most of the traffic problems associated to Katella and Valley View (and even Los Alamitos). By extending the streets through to a full “block” pattern we would be able to eliminate most of the “go around” traffic that clogs Katella and forces cars into residential neighborhoods and down Farquar.
2) It would allow Los Al to develop a city center and one or two larger parks.
3) It would allow Los Al to develop a commerce center for retail thus generating tax revenue.
4) It would allow Los Al to develop “Rossmore Estates II” a housing development with 1/4 acre to 1/2 acre lots
5) With #3 we would be able to add Rossmore to Los Al since the revenue would be there to afford to have them.
6) We would be able to move Oak MS to that area and then take the whole Oak/City property and convert that to revenue producing retail.
So, while I was being a sarcastic SOB in my initial post, let me be clear in that I have come to believe that BRAC would create more opportunities than it would create problems and that I think it is not something that should be fought against any longer. If the Feds don’t want to put money into the base, then they should close it and let Los Alamitos develop the base property to a much better use for the community.
[And I should note that I believe that the retail development should be done at Lexington and Lampson with EZ-on EZ-off freeway access. :-) ]
Amazing, I don’t remember anyone coming to Los Al to plan when theTarget center was shoved down our throats. The same for Costco. Now you want to “plan together”? How come that sounds to me like “screw Los Al again.” “Fool me once, shame on me, fool me… well you can’t fool me again.” (1)
No, it’s about a bunch of NIMBY’s. I don’t expect the current majority on the Los Al City Council to do the right thing. They were all set to roll over to Cypress on a turn before we got into their face about it. Rolling over to SB is no different. I expect that from them. The only question is whether it will be leaked BEFORE they do it.
Getting lectured by CPE people about how we should act after Los Al gets screwed again is a bit too much.
(1) Quote from George W. Bush (#43)